| Friday, June 15, 2007 |
| "It is finished." [The Revenge post] |
A fan-written essay based on the 'Oh! Gravity.' bonus track "Revenge".Disclaimers & Notes: (a) The following argumentative essay on the Switchfoot song "Revenge" comprises my thoughts and opinions, not necessarily Switchfoot's. The band has had no involvement whatsoever in the writing of this essay, nor have I talked to them about the song, nor did they read it until it was posted here. (b) Some of the ideas expressed in the essay below were shared by me (username: born2xl) at songmeanings.net (just so you don't think I stole it off of there.) (c) While reading, it might help to know, that I have tried not to assume anything about you, the reader, while writing this - whether about you being a Switchfoot fan, or a Christian, as the essay was attempted in a style that would hopefully appeal to people of all backgrounds. Because of this, some parts may seem too introductory to some people. (d) I respect the fact that my readers are from various religious and non-religious backgrounds, and it is not my intention to impose my beliefs on anyone. This is NOT an evangelistic work. This only aims to be an honest work, for anyone who likes to read a (hopefully) well-argued essay. (e) A preview to this essay was posted in January '07, click here to read it. (f) Art is often best left unexplained. While I appreciate that, writing is therapeutic for me, and I had so many thoughts on this song that I decided to organize it into an essay, for those who wish to read it at their own risk. I would hate to ruin the song (or the beauty of it's abstractness) for you in any way, by nailing it down to a specific meaning. (g) Far from being a theologian, I'm just a young student of life. If you feel like my theology is flawed, I would love to discuss it with you. In any case, I would love your feedback (by email or in the comments section of this post). (h) This particular post is intended as free information; if you like it, please feel free to share it anywhere (I would be honored), as long as there's no changes to the content whatsoever, and there's a link back to this page, and it's credited to the effect of "by Philemon Thomas (switchfeed@gmail.com)". (i) To read previous posts in this column, click here. Thanks for reading. --
Introduction: The New Revenge
Why does it bother us so greatly when someone who doesn't deserve to be wronged is wronged anyway? When he slaps you on your face, why is your basic impulse to turn his cheek a bright red in return? I think when Christ instructed his followers to show the other cheek[i], what’s more relevant than whether or not he actually expects us to do that, is that he was hinting at a great truth. I believe He was teaching us a higher form of revenge that He later epitomized with His death at the cross: a revenge that absorbs. A revenge that steals away rage. A godly revenge: where, by absorbing sin, and thereby nullifying it, you are exacting revenge not against the guy who slapped you, but against the hate in him which made him do it in the first place. You kill that evil (true revenge), rather than multiply it with a slap of your own (foolish revenge). “Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”[ii] That instruction from Christ was a brief look into the deep-impact psychology of the Kingdom of God, that is baffling at times in how it characteristically turns common sense upside-down (“How can someone’s death on a cross save me?!”), yet amazing in its genius when you pause to think about it. Coming back to the question at hand, why do we feel the urge to have that daughter’s rapist condemned to death, to have that wrongdoer brought to justice? When bad things happen to good people, why does that discrepancy bother us? I believe it’s because, deep inside, we feel an innate need for justice to be met, and when we rarely see that happening, or when our pride is hurt, we become short-sighted and are pushed to take matters into our own hands; and, in the process, while we may achieve an earthly standard (mostly an illusion) of justice, we understandably fail at achieving the higher, pure, complete justice (or ‘revenge’)—Kingdom justice, if you might—on our own strength. If we’d succeeded at forgiveness, mercy, grace, humility and such, our world would be a much better place, but the tit-for-tat justice-system of this world we instead resort to, instead of alleviating our problems, often multiplies them. Which is why I believe we need help. Someone Else who can accomplish a perfect, permanent revenge for us, someone who can settle the scores for us, on our behalf—for the wrongs we’ve committed and for those committed unto us—on a path to redemption. A case for morality and retribution Our aforementioned desire for justice reflects an innate sense of right and wrong, of good and bad. This urge for revenge, I believe, is proof against the postmodern contention that ‘good’ and ‘bad’ are merely ideas created by society: you don't seek revenge except because you think justice is good, or because it makes you feel good—just like no one seeks injustice or wrong purely because they delight in the idea of badness in and of itself, but because they have something they think is good to gain from it, whether it’s the pleasure or the loot. This reveals an inbuilt, involuntary ability to decide between ‘good’ and ‘bad’, ‘right’ and ‘wrong’—even if only through our subjective understanding (or lack thereof) of them—making a compelling case for such value judgments. When there's ‘right’ and ‘wrong’, it only follows that there be a reward system, as incentive to seek right over wrong. For 6 billion free wills to coexist in harmony, screw-ups need to be paid for. So, a perfectly just God's (if He may not seem so right now, look at His justice as a process that will one day be completed and revealed to all) universe was created with the principle that we are responsible for our actions – that goodness would be rewarded, and the opposite should have consequences. Keeping with His just character, He wisely decided retribution would be necessary (unless we were all perfect beings). The weight of a world seeking revenge Now, we may originally have been perfect, as beings created by a perfect God (in His own image), but something went wrong somewhere. According to the Bible, it was Adam & Eve’s disobedience because of which we exist as imperfect beings in an imperfect world, where we enter the world bringing pain—that of childbirth—and leave it with the same, i.e. suffering and death: all terrible things that Adam and Eve would never have had to endure, had they obeyed God’s instructions to not eat of the Tree of Knowledge.[iii] Their disobedience brought death, labor pain, AIDS and all kinds of entropy into the world as consequence, when they could have lived forever in a perfect world with each other and God. For some of us, all that is myth—fair enough—while some others view it as fact, but there’s one thing we can all testify to: that the world is in a fallen state, crying out for redemption, for a savior. That not everything is hunky dory—the very reason why most people question the existence of a perfect-by-definition God. As Dan Haseltine laments, “If the world was how it should be, maybe I could get some sleep. / While I lay, I'd dream we're better, scales were gone and faces lighter, / [But] when we wake we hate our brother, we still move to hurt each other…”[iv] Can all this wrongness be avenged, and the world be brought back to perfection again? St. Paul once said, taking our tsunamis and natural disasters into consideration as well, “We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. Not only so, but we ourselves … groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.”[v] Can this groan-filled period of perennial “revenge” (curse and consequence avenging sin) end? Can it be paid for, once and for all? Can we have a new world order? Witnessed by those who later recorded the event, God’s selfless genius set out to answer those questions, through this ‘higher form of revenge’ I’d mentioned above: if His instruction to turn the other cheek was a footnote, then this would be the book; if that the trailer, then this the movie; that a hint, this everything He ever hinted at. Allow me to elaborate, using Jon Foreman’s (lead singer of Switchfoot) song “Revenge”, which I believe masterfully tells the story of how this ‘godly revenge’ was executed, through a murder. A story that he or his bandmates didn’t feel like putting a price tag on [click here for a free download of the song on the band’s website]. Maybe they felt the story was priceless. Maybe because it’s a story about the greatest free gift ever. “About a specific murder,” said Jon once, while introducing the song.[vi] The Song: identifying the speakers, and a pattern As I set out to dissect the lyrics of this song, to understand it (that experience inspired this essay, hence my academic focus on it), it was difficult to identify the speaker in the song. I think it’s pretty obvious, if you read the lyrics, that they indisputably refer to Christ’s crucifixion. Sometimes it seemed like it was from the perspective of the thief hung on the cross next to Christ (to whom He said “today you will be with me in paradise”[vii]), at other times I wondered if it was Jon’s voice, while some lines, though it seemed a stretch, sounded like it could be Christ’s. As I chewed the cud some more, I found holes in each of those arguments, and stopped looking for one voice, realizing that it needn’t have just one speaker, but may be a cocktail of multiple voices. Like in a movie, where the director captures the subject through different lenses—the subject in this case being the image of Christ hung up on the cross. But to be reasonably sure that this was the effect Jon was trying to achieve, I needed to find a pattern, some kind of structure in the song. And find a pattern I did: with a new character in the fray – the Roman soldier whose conversion experience at the foot of the cross brings to mind the line “that’s when the irony hit me, [that] this was revenge”.[viii] All three voices in the song—the thief, the soldier, Jon—were hearts that were forever changed by the experience of witnessing Him hanging on the cross. The first two were the only ones in the Bible who experienced such revelation through being physically present at the crucifixion of Christ (pattern, anyone?), while Jon, admittedly a believer, represents everyone that can bring themselves to visualizing and appreciating the magnitude of what was taking place on that hillock some 2000 years ago. The speakers of the first six stanzas of the song also revealed a looping pattern: thief-soldier-Jon-thief-soldier-Jon. The last stanza, while somewhat continuing the pattern by leaning towards the thief’s voice (the words “Think of me, Lord” allude to the thief's plea, “Remember me, Lord”, in the biblical account of the crucifixion[ix]), seemed to blend all the voices, for a fitting conclusion that voices the cry of many hearts, not just the thief's. Over the next three sub-headings, I will attempt to substantiate my claim that the aforementioned speakers are the main voices in this impressive work of poetry. The Song: the “thief” stanzas I'm the failure, I'm everyone's fool And I'm losing my cool at the end I'm the loser, my number's come up I've been hung up with thoughts of revenge Revenge, revenge (stanza 1) I watched heaven dying today And I'm gonna die here tonight I'm a villain, I deserve to be dead I've been hung up for wrecking my life Revenge, revenge (stanza 4) The first stanza opens the song with clever subtlety, by making it hard to distinguish whether it’s Jon’s voice or the speaker is someone else—which helps artfully ease us into the story. It seems like it could be the voice of humanity: we, “the church of … the failures and the fools”[x], the soldiers who hung Him up, the thieves who made His death necessary. But, on a closer look at the song’s structure, and the lines “my number’s come up / I’ve been hung up with thoughts of revenge”, I felt I could safely assume the speaker is the thief, more than anyone else – the more repentant of the two thieves hung on crosses next to Christ’s for their crimes, the one who swallowed his pride, admitting that it was he who screwed up, aware that he was “losing [his] cool at the end”, rather than just losing it without pause and taking his bitterness out on the innocent Jesus who was hanging next to him, like the other thief did. In the fourth stanza (quoted above, which I’ve also identified as the thief’s voice), the lines “I’m a villain, I deserve to be dead / I’ve been hung up for wrecking my life”, seem to paraphrase the repentant thief’s words in the gospel account, “We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man (Jesus) has done nothing wrong.”[xi] The Song: the “soldier” stanzas I watched you from my terminal view As you struggled to rise to your end I laughed hard at the insults we threw As the weight of the world found revenge Revenge, revenge (stanza 2) So I stopped for a moment To look at the sun (or Son) Die in the day That's when the irony hit me This was revenge That love had descended And stolen our pain away (stanza 5) The Roman soldier watched Christ being persecuted and led to his death, from his “terminal” view, i.e. his limited view – his point of view that lacked understanding of what was going on, or of who Christ was. As the soldier watched Christ “struggle to rise to [his] end” (after falling down when trying to carry the heavy cross amidst flogging, I would imagine), and as he “laughed hard at the insults [they] threw”, “the weight of the world found revenge.” You see, the weight of a world made heavy by its sins, was seeking revenge. All the bad deeds ever done were crying out for justice, the wrongs were crying to be righted. The voice of a murdered Abel's blood was “screaming to [God] from the ground.”[xii] But Abel's (and every other victimized person’s) vengeance was met in the most unexpected yet effective way – through someone else who led Himself to the slaughterhouse, to take upon Himself the punishment that was due to the murderers.  But, at the foot of the cross, as the spear that pierced Christ's belly brought forth gushing water, the soldier “stopped for a moment”. The gospel accounts say, when the Son (of God) breathed his last breath, the sun darkened at noon, and an earthquake broke open tombs, bringing many dead people back to life[xiii] – nature revolted while observing the brutal murder of its Maker, and the power of death was loosened, as if to hint at Christ's resurrection which was soon to come. The irony of it all may have struck the Roman soldier when he looked at the darkened sun, or when he looked at the Son, or both—Jon seems to intentionally play with these homophones—as he exclaimed, “Surely this man was the Son of God!”[xiv] But wait a minute; what’s the irony in any of this? [We would be in a better position to approach the answer to this question, the heart of this essay, after exploring the “Jon” stanzas below.] The Song: the “Jon” stanzas The world hung upside down I drew first blood I drew first blood With my hate for a crown I drew first blood I drew first blood, revenge (stanza 3) We consumed heaven's Son And I drew first blood I drew first blood And my hate was undone I drew first blood I drew first blood, revenge (stanza 6) In the above confessional stanzas, Jon points the finger at himself, rather than the Romans or the Jews or at thieves and soldiers who have killed way more people than Jon would ever as much as touch to harm. When I think of “the world hung upside down”, I can’t help but be reminded of that scene in the Passion of the Christ, where, after being cruelly flogged, Jesus was dragged along the ground by his arms, his body frontside-up and his head hanging upside-down, with the camera capturing the giddy, bloody-eyed view through Christ’s eyes. His world hung upside-down, and I drew first blood. With my hate for His crown (mine and humankind’s rebellion against God), I was necessitating His crucifixion. I necessitate His death, and metaphorically nail Him to that cross every day, because I’m not a good person. A far cry from His perfection, as I still live in my fallen flesh, in a fallen world. (Although we’re redeemed by faith, a complete, physical redemption of things is yet to come.) None of us are holy enough to have a relationship with a perfectly holy God, and we cannot achieve that holiness by our own strength, thanks to the corrupted bodies we're born with, and the corrupted world we're born into. But by His grace, and through His death, which wipes out my wrongs, God counts me as if I were good.[xv] Not only did Christ take up our sins so He was seen as if He were a sinner, but through His sacrifice, we can now take up Christ's holiness so we're seen as if we're as holy as Him. It's like we wear “Christ-masks”, because of which we can now have a relationship with a holy God even when we lead less-than-holy lives. “My hate was undone,” and gets undone still, when all the shit in me was nailed to that cross, and gets nailed to it still. “We consumed heaven’s son”, while He let Himself be consumed – a once-and-for-all sacrifice for all sins. The Beautiful Irony… Here's a story How a thief had been robbed How a murder had stolen my rage Think of me, Lord I'm a few breaths away As my lungs finally rip from the cage Revenge (stanza 7)
The reason for his brutal death wasn’t, as straightforward thinking (and the previous paragraph) might suggest, merely mankind’s “hate for a crown” (hate for authority/God), or merely some innate thirst for blood to atone for what we had no idea about, but it was God exacting His revenge on the sins of the world, ironically, by sacrificing Himself. In a way, we weren’t really the vengeful ones in the picture; instead, we were the ones who “drew first blood”, who caused the offence in the first place – and God was the one taking revenge, by shedding His own blood to pay for our act of drawing first blood – by paying for original sin (Adam & Eve’s), as well as all the sins mankind ever committed or will commit. He took revenge by hurting Himself, not us (the ones who actually deserved it). And this is the amazing irony, in how it was an act of revenge, yet, at the same time, an act of selfless love. Never have revenge or justice met in such perfect harmony with mercy, love or grace, as at the Cross. His “love had descended and stolen our pain away” – it wasn’t His pain, it was ours, but He stole it. He “tricked” or outsmarted the mathematical (one for one, tit for tat) system that justice is, to defeat it’s power over us: by cleverly stealing away the punishment that was due to us, while at the same time meeting the requirements of this justice-system, by taking the punishment upon Himself. His “murder had stolen my rage”. This was a story of “how a thief [on the cross] had been robbed.” By God. Jon has said the theme of their album “Oh! Gravity.” is the rarely-asked question “why do good things happen to bad people?” (not the oft-asked “why do bad things happen to good people?”)—a question they have also raised in explicit relation to the idea of grace, when discussing the previous album “Nothing Is Sound”.[xvi] Evidently, he was pondering this mystery: how could such grace, such goodness, such love and selflessness from our Maker, be meted out to undeserving, “bad” people like us? In another Switchfoot song, Jon wonders, “Is this fiction, or divine comedy? Hope has given Himself to the worst … Where the last of the last finish first.”[xvii] This ‘amazing grace’, this unmerited favor, is the very heart of the Christian faith. Conclusion: Have hatred and gravity won? In conclusion, I think it’s fitting to consider the only line in the song “Revenge” that doesn’t fit into the stanza structure laid out above: “have hatred and gravity won?” Since the line is made to stand out in the song’s structure (and it’s not the bridge, but between stanzas 2 and 3), Jon might have intended the line to have extra importance. Interestingly, when explaining their song “Oh! Gravity.”, Jon referred to gravity as the force that binds everything, and said he was asking gravity why we couldn’t keep our relationships—our social world—together, like it kept our physical world together.[xviii] In this sense, “hatred” and “gravity” are opposite ideas – one pulls apart, while the other binds. So, in light of the “Revenge” story, where other similarly opposing ideas like justice, mercy, revenge and love meet, I think Jon might be asking, “have hatred and gravity both won?” At the cross, in a way, they both did win, but briefly. The haters spat and killed and split the spoils, and love still descended. Love didn't take the hatred away, but absorbed it, paid for it, and then overlooked it because it was paid for – it was no longer messing up the equation. Just like even though we're sinners (i.e. hatred's victory), God now looks upon us as if we're holy, only because He paid for it (i.e. gravity's victory or essence now taken beyond just the physical world, through His death.) Though hatred and gravity seemed to have “won” temporarily at the cross, it was, in the end, gravity's (or God’s) victory, because Christ rose from the dead and thereby undid the work of hate, besides defeating death. The importance of this may have been best captured by Jaroslav Pelikan, right before he died, when he uttered the powerful sentiment, “If Christ is risen, nothing else matters. And if Christ is not risen – nothing else matters.”[xix] That question, “have hatred and gravity won?”, and it's answer, I believe, summarizes this story, in a nutshell. The mystery of it, in a line. Celebrating the risen Christ who overcame death and sin, many Christians sing Dr. Watts' old hymn on Sunday mornings: Blood has a voice to pierce the skies: 'Revenge!' the blood of Abel cries; But the dear stream when Christ was slain Speaks peace as loud from ev'ry vein. Though the blood of Christ speaks peace from every vein, it is only because it afforded that peace by accomplishing the greatest act of revenge ever – the very revenge that Abel’s murdered blood cried for. The very revenge that you and I cry for when we’re wronged. When He died, His last words weren’t “I am finished”, but “it is finished”[xx]. “It” was a mission, the very reason He stripped Himself of His right to remain in His comforts as God, and came down to earth to be one among us, to save us vermins who, in our ignorance, spat on our Maker and cruelly put Him to death. But He was in control all the while, executing a selfless masterplan, becoming The Way by which we may be saved from what we truly deserve. And His name is Love.
Footnotes: [i] Matthew 5:38-42; Luke 6:27-31 [ii] Romans 12:21 [iii] Genesis 1-3 [iv] From the song “Oh My God” by Jars Of Clay, in the album “Good Monsters”. [v] Romans 8:22,23 [vi] At the acoustic aftershow set in Lancaster, as quoted by my friend Gellie. [vii] Luke 23:43 [viii] Matthew 27:54; Mark 15:39 [ix] Luke 23:42 [x] Lyric from Switchfoot song “The Beautiful Letdown”, from the album by the same name, in reference to “I’m the failure, I’m everyone’s fool”. [xi] Luke 23:41 [xii] Genesis 4:10 [xiii] Matthew 27:50-53 [xiv] Mark 15:39 [xv] Romans 3-4 [xvi] (1) "Nothing Is Sound: The Songs" by Jon Foreman; (2) Life, Death, Social Entropy? Switchfoot Get Weighty On Oh! Gravity; (3) Letter from Jon Foreman of Switchfoot [xvii] “Living Is Simple”, from the album "Learning To Breathe". [xviii] Switchfoot: Oh! Gravity. The Meaning Behind [xix] This quote is commonly attributed to Jaroslav Pelikan, though it hasn't been recorded. [xx] John 19:30
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WOW x 3!!! That was AMAZING! Phil, you masterfully explained the Christian faith. I love the part about "turning the other cheek." Some people view it as a weakness, but it takes an inner strength not to react as a mere human. Following Christ's example is not always easy.
Your interpretation of the song was really well done. It's cool how you dissected the lines of the song to reflect the 3 speakers. It makes more sense now (I was never good @ poetry in high school).
I could go on about the many things that struck me in this post. I think I'll read it a few more times to grasp the fullness of it.
Anyway, great job, Phil. This was WELL worth the wait.
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Phil, from disclaimer c.), it was at the aftershow in Lancaster that I was at where Jon said, "this is about a specific murder."
i told you that one, silly.
now i'm gonna finish reading the post...
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I think this is your longest post ever. It's longer than all the posts since Monday combined. :D Well done, phil. I really enjoyed reading your interpretation.
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I enjoyed that phil, thanks. is it weird that you expressed a lot of my very own thoughts?!
also, that last paragraph - just the other day i was thinking about the phrase "it is finished" and what exactly He meant by that "it."
oh, and another thought. "have hatred and gravity won?" I always thought of that in a different way than you analyzed it - metaphysically speaking, it was all of our hatred that weighed down upon Him on the cross. Physically speaking, it was the force of gravity that pulled Him down while on the cross. I remember hearing somewhere that in death by crucifixion, what was actually lethal about it was the fact that their bodies (except their wrists which were nailed up) would be gradually pulled down (by the force of gravity) until they died of asphyxiation.
Anyway, that's just a different take on that aspect of the song, so it wouldn't be as contradictory for them to both have won. i liked reading your perspective too, though. Considering different angles is always healthy.
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phil, you'd better be majoring in something english/writing related.
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Phil, good job on writing the "Revenge" post. It was very interesting and eye opening.
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Damn you, Phil - now I gotta finish my concert review from when Jon played with Tom Morello!
Dah! There goes my weekend...
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Whoa! Arpit finally makes an appearance. How long has it been - a month? And yes, I'm still waiting for the concert review!
(Arpit, I left you a comment on your site last week. Did you get it?) :)
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once again switchfoot and phill has out done them selves with the deep meanings and touching articles!!! it moved me and i hope to see more of this kinda stuff on switchfeed!! TRUELY AMAZAZING!!1 ~LYDIA
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@Lydia. btw, Phil is spelled with one "l." ;)
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I have lots to say about this post, but first I have to formulate the words. I'm not so great at articulating myself.
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Wow! Phil you said everything that i would say! you explained everything so well! You did a really great job! i will definately be sharing this with my friends!
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first it was 4:12 and now this, will you ever seize to amaze me? I haven't gotten a chance to read through it all but i really like the last part. His name is Love. =) simply beautiful. you're gonna have a great career in jouralism/writing my brother in Christ.
A+!
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Good job Phil. I want to give you better feedback, but it's Friday and time for me to leave work! I'll probably post about it next week on the WDYB boards instead of here, as I check that more often. Great job!
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Great job on that post Phil. It really shed some new light on that song for me. I had to read it twice to let it sink in. Wow.
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WOW!!! What a great article! As both, a Christian and a Switchfoot fan, I have to say that it's one of the best written articles or essays I've ever read.
You had me crying.
Thank you Phil so much for sharing this with the rest of us.
I would be honored if you would allow me to post it on my myspace blog.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! This really made my day. GOD BLESS YOU ABUNDANTLY!
Susy
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WOW!!! That was really good, a good way to look at it!! Thanks for the insight!!! COOL!!! <><
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That was awesome Phil!! Thanks for writing/posting that on here. I loved the entire thing. You are an amazing writer/deep thinker. Amazing job once again!
Coralee
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Wow, that was very well written Phil! I knew it was going to be good just by reading the cleverly written title "It is finished." Thanks for working so hard to finish and post it. Great job!
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Thank you, Phil.
Reguardless of whether or not your interpretation is correct, it was a VERY good read and you made some VERY good points. I can honestly say I learnt something this morning. My understanding of numerous things was bettered by reading that.
It's interesting how, through reading your interpretation, my own further developed. There were numerous similarities but some subtle differences, all very though-provoking...
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Phil, I'm speachless. That was amazing. I've been thinking ALOT about forgiveness and what exactly it means to forgive and be forgiven lately, and you have definately given me some food for thought. (I've been meaning to post about it on the WDYB/LP forums.. but I haven't quite gotten there yet..) So thank-you, Phil, that post was both moving and inspiring.
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nailed it! bravo.
no wonder why they made you the official blogger.
your awesome!
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Phil with this post you made my day, no... my month! I was shocked when I read about the soldier part cuz that's what came up to my mind when I first heard that part of the song.
Excelente!!!
p.s. Phil, are you still single? cuz I wanna marry you man. :P
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Amazing.... So well thought out. I have been thinking about the idea of revenge and forgiveness alot lately and this is an amazing way to explain things. Thank you soo much for this. It's worth all the work that was put into it i'm sure all of us would agree. I am definetly going to show this to my friends =)
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Oh and btw, it's nice to see another "rambling" post again. Like the 4:12 one from a while back. If possible, it'd be cool if there were more like them in the furture... =D
Once again, thank you so much!
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Phil, AMAZING! that summed up the song perfectly! You are such a good writer...thanks so much for doing this. I hope some people read this and understand the meaning of the song better and are touched by it.
God Bless, Adam (faceless_combatant)
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WOW...! well I much say I hadn't really got the song before, but you put it together amazingly well! and this song ditches any less that postive thought that some people might of had because of Nothing Is Sound, and CD that I really like and I thing is batter for not having "happy-go-lucky Christain" printed all over!! but back to the main point! You really did and great job of bring out all that is behind the song (I going to listen to it again now once I am done here!) you (and Switchfoot) kinda brought out something new it the way that I see/think about Christ's death, not to say that I did know it before but just now from and new angle, "hatred and gravity won"
so thanks!! and keep writing you are good at it!!
Jon
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So I finally took the time to read it! Apparently people really like your essay seeing as some want to even marry you! (coughcoughRINNAcoughcough)
But now for my personal opinion on the matter. Once again you have exceeded everyone's expectations. Just when I think that you couldn't get any better at your skill and gift of writing, you get better! What is up with that?!
I have to admit that the essay slightly (just slightly) took away some of the beauty of the song. Mostly because a song is a song and it has a melody and everything is beautiful about a good song. And naturally when you make an essay out of it, the essay will portray the technicality of the song instead of all of its beauty. But the essay portrayed most of the beauty of the song. The concept is beautiful in itself.
I really don't know how you can have so many different ideas all locked up in your head but those ideas were well thought out, make sense, and are to the point. *Big Applause*
I definitely saw the beauty of the concept in your essay and I wont hesitate to share it (I'll post it all over the internet!!!!). One thing that stood out to me that I didnt even realize it before was the theme of Oh!Gravity.
I knew what the album was about but I never really grasped the concept of "why do good things happen to bad people" and now I understand (and like) this view that something good did happen to us, the bad people. I never realized that is what the album (or song) was really about and I appreciate you sharing that with all of us.
Concluding: Great job, Phil (like always). Keep writing, keep inspiring the lives of many. I pray that you will go far with this talent and that all your dreams will be fulfilled (a lot of them already have been fulfilled!) You are an inspiration to me, and a good example.
God Bless and I love you!
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Whilst some may say it SLIGHTLY took away from the beauty of the song, I on the other hand found it made the song more beautiful.
Maybe that's just me.
I guess what people find beautiful is different. It is such an intricate composition, there is so much meaning and thought in this song. The better I understand something like this, the more complex I see it to be and as I begin to uncover a deeper meaning - the song becomes more beautiful (if that makes sense).
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If the roman numerals in the footnotes are supposed to link to something, (which it looks like they are to me) they don't.
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Wow....
I look at the above comments and found that word alot. I was going to say that as well, it was the only word that could express at all what I am feeling.
That post just reminds me how much I love my Savior. How much he did for me. And how much I don't desirve it, and how I could never repay it. This post has left me feeling a mess of emotions. Thankyou!!!
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@everyone, thanks for the kind words, I'm glad this touched many of you. it's the ultimate joy of a writer to feel like his work might have enriched someone's life. thanks for reading, it's such an honor.
also, since I posted this yesterday, I've heavily edited it - corrected and revised things quite a bit, to make some parts tighter. added more footnotes as well. hoping the work will be judged as it stands now, than as it stood yesterday, heh.
@gellie, thanks for that haha, i'd forgotten. great insight on the "have hatred and gravity won?" part.
@kristen, hey! looking forward to your feedback. would be great if you could copy/paste it here as well. :)
@anonymous, fixed the footnote links, thanks for pointing that out.
and, yes, to whomsoever it may concern, i'm single, all marriage proposals may kindly be addressed to switchfeed@gmail.com :P ...kidding but yes, feedback by email is more than welcome.
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It seems that since this post was put up, I have read and reread it everytime I come on. I have lost count now. I am not sure why. For me, I guess when I have something that really makes me think, it'll draw you in. Everytime I read it I get something more out of it. Whether I agree with what it is about it or not. There's something different, a different way of seeing something, a different thought or opinion. I am analytical and maybe that's what drew me to this piece.
@gellie. I remembering hearing the same thing too about the death on the crucifix of asphixiation.
You can look at it both ways: metaphysically vs. physically. I think in a sense there is no right or wrong way. Sometimes metaphysical can have a positive or negative affect on the person which affect them in the physical sense.
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Wow... nicely put Phil. I really enjoy reading these. :)
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for those wondering about the asphixiation thing, you can read an essay (that is both bibilical and anatomical) about Christ's crucifuction at http://www.csun.edu/~hbeng151/icc/studies/account.html. It's kind of an 'anatomy of a crusifiction', like Phil's post, so if you dislike the beauty that something like that takes away, I would suggest not reading it. That being said, I found it really interesting (but I'm also an anatomy dork..)
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Wow! Wow! Wow!!!!!!! that was sooo awesome!!!!!!! You are an amazing writer! I loved how you showed the different outlooks from the different people and compared it to a movie. I wanna be a screenwriter and It really makes sense to me when you explained it like that. it was soooo sweet!!!! You rock!! :cool: <3 jesiKa
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I would love to live with Switchfoot.That's like me and my best friend's dream!I LOVE SWITCHFOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!Their music is amazing.Who wouldn't like their amazing terrifc stunning beutiful music!SWITCHFOOT YOU ROCK!!!!!YOUR MY FAVORITE BAND!JOHN FOREMAN YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!THE WHOLE BAND ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!YOU GUYS ARE SOOOOOOO AWESOME!!!!I WISH YOU GUYS COULD BE MY FRIENDS!!!!I remember one of your conserts it was the BEST DAY OF MY LIFE!!I"LL NEVER FORGET YOU SWITCHFOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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amazing take on an amazing song.
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phil this was astoundingly great. i thought i had been blown away by the 4:12 post, but this tops that for sure. i printed it off and read it at work today when it was quiet, and i had to try very hard not to cry. such a beautiful song, i love the way you delved into it and revealed this amazing truth underneath. thank you so, so much. <3 God bless
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Phil Well done. I wish I had your gift of writing. I know much time went into it and we all appreciate it.
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so amazingly well-put phil:
When bad things happen to good people, why does that discrepancy bother us? I believe it’s because, deep inside, we feel an innate need for justice to be met, and when we rarely see that happening, or when our pride is hurt, we become short-sighted and are pushed to take matters into our own hands; and, in the process, while we may achieve an earthly standard (mostly an illusion) of justice, we understandably fail at achieving the higher, pure, complete justice (or ‘revenge’)
I think you deserve a pat on the back for this one.
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What's up, Switchfoot? You guys are very cool. By the way, anyone want to join a rock music forum? We have Switchfoot on our band list. Come check us out! http://jesushideout.informe.com
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crazy. it sounds like something for my bible class. Great job Phil!
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I had never thought very hard about the lyrics to "revenge" before... thanks for discussing it, phil. I am once again blown away by jon's writing skills.
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well, i reallllllly wanna read this post, but im afraid ill be dead by the time i finish, so someone, please tell me what i should do.
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miguel, i TOLD you to just read it. remember i said it was worth it? and it would make you smarter? you need to start listening to your big sis. just read a little at a time if you think you can't do it all at once.
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k, ill read it, and i did hear you, i just wanted al least one more opinion . :-P
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wow phil... that was really good. I loved reading it. very insighful.
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I've been waiting for this post and it turned out to be well worth the wait. Thanks for your interpretations and well-organized synthesis of ideas. I need to re-read it again tomorrow when it's not 1am to be able to fully grasp this essay, but for now... Nicely done, friend! And thanks, Switchfoot.
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Wow. That's almost all I can say. Thanks for this follow-up/much needed Revenge post. This is something that really strikes me about SF...they have songs with very real subject matter and things that you can think about and talk about for hours. I think when it comes down to it, that's the most important thing.
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Sorry this is so long:
This isn’t really a critique or anything, I’m just going through your essay and giving my thoughts. Part of my effort will probably be to de-Christianize parts of it so that it is accessible to those amongst us who reject those premises. I may fail miserabley though because I'm sure I'll get carried away. ;)
What I think is absolutely incredible is that these truths have been communicated not *just* through Christianity, but through almost every major religion in the world! It knocks the breath out of me how profound life is and how we all come to the same answers independently!
So, here goes:
I think when Christ instructed his followers to show the other cheek[i], what’s more relevant than whether or not he actually expects us to do that, is that he was hinting at a great truth. I believe He was teaching us a higher form of revenge that He later epitomized with His death at the cross: a revenge that absorbs. A revenge that steals away rage. A godly revenge: where, by absorbing sin, and thereby nullifying it, you are exacting revenge not against the guy who slapped you, but against the hate in him which made him do it in the first place. You kill that evil (true revenge), rather than multiply it with a slap of your own (foolish revenge). “Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”[ii] That instruction from Christ was a brief look into the deep-impact psychology of the Kingdom of God, that is baffling at times in how it characteristically turns common sense upside-down (“How can someone’s death on a cross save me?!”), yet amazing in its genius when you pause to think about it.
YES! You’re getting at here what I’ve been trying to say over and over again ever since reading Dostoevsky’s The Grand Inquisitor! That there is a fundamental difference in method between the normal operations of things and the way that religion (or rather, the higher method) would have us act. The ways of thinking are completely different! Not that the normal operation is bad, as it’s perfectly natural, it’s just that there’s a higher method. If we are committed to expanding our field of awareness and becoming the best people possible, this other path is the one we should endeavor to take.
When there's ‘right’ and ‘wrong’, it only follows that there be a reward system, as incentive to seek right over wrong. For 6 billion free wills to coexist in harmony, screw-ups need to be paid for. So, a perfectly just God's (if He may not seem so right now, look at His justice as a process that will one day be completed and revealed to all) universe was created with the principle that we are responsible for our actions – that goodness would be rewarded, and the opposite should have consequences. Keeping with His just character, He wisely decided retribution would be necessary (unless we were all perfect beings).
This is sort of a practical, consequentialist view of reward and punishment. Actually, in my view, all of this belongs to the worldy/profane part, not the sacred. These rules and requirements are things we need to practically live in a diverse and large society. Things like the ten commandments are there to help us set up those rules. But there is *so much more* to religion than just rules and rewards and punishments. That’s only the very first step. Every religion has its basic moral rules, but the most profound truths can only be found when you assimilate them and move beyond them. That is what “God’s justice” and that higher method is all about.
The same exists in Buddhism in the contrast between karma and dharma, I do believe. Many people work to store up good karma, which is the worldly justice. But those who are truly committed work to transcend karma altogether, to get out of the cycles of rebirth and reward and punishment. I think it's very similar to what we've been discussing. Love is our ticket out of reward and punishment. Out of that system, to a plane where nothing is as simple, but everything is made clear.
As for the actual song, I think your analysis is very good. Of course, I’m most interested in the implications, rather than the actual analysis. :)
The Beautiful Irony…
Ahh, irony. I seriously think that irony is one of the most central principles to the Christian faith. It’s one of the main things that keeps me coming back for more. ;)
I think Jon might be asking, “have hatred and gravity both won?” At the cross, in a way, they both did win, but briefly. The haters spat and killed and split the spoils, and love still descended. Love didn't take the hatred away, but absorbed it, paid for it, and then overlooked it because it was paid for – it was no longer messing up the equation.
While this is important historically for Christians, it’s important in everyday life for everyone. There are two main lessons we can take from it. The first is the extreme power of love (the higher method) to overcome anything. Love is so powerful that it can even use *hatred* and *death* to accomplish its goals. And this is an incredibly profound truth in the way that God works in the world (or if you don’t like supreme beings, the way the “higher method” works in the world). It even uses seeming injustices to impart its justice!
As an example, I’m going to use the Woody Allen movie Match Point. If you haven’t seen it, don’t read this part. The main character of the film, Chris, doesn’t believe in justice. He’s teetering on the brink of nihilism, and wants desperately to find meaning and justice in the world around him. As a result, he keeps pushing and pushing, and ultimately commits horrible and criminal acts. And he gets away with it, thus proving to him that there is *no* justice in the world. But the incredible, amazing, genius thing about that story is that the *worst* thing that could have happened to Chris was him realizing that there is no justice. His punishment, his dispensement of justice, was exactly that there was no justice. And that was the worst punishment he could have received, and he doesn’t realize it. The irony and the power of it is incredible.
And life does this to us all the time. It can often feel so meaningless, but there is meaning around every corner. Life (or the Holy Spirit, if you prefer) is constantly edging us towards goodness, no matter how far into darkness we fall. And somehow, when darkness is at its strongest, love is even *stronger.*
The other lesson that it teaches us is about suffering. To open the gates of heaven, Jesus suffered and died. He sacrificed himself. What does this say for us? To reach the infinite, to reach perfection (which we are always striving towards and trying to take shortcuts to), we have to go *through* the shit. Excuse my language, but that word is the only one that really has the correct power. There is no way to get to God, or to the higher method, or to enlightenment, without going through daily life and all the shit that comes with it. And what’s even more, is that we *need* that suffering in order to get anywhere in life. As morbid as it sounds, growing is all about dying. And not just dying for the sake of dying, but dying for the sake of love. Sacrifice. The process of transformation is tied inexorably to suffering.
I could go on and on about all the implications of this. Especially the part about how hatred signifies Day 2, and gravity signifies Day 1. Only together can Day 3 ever really come. Because it is a synthesis. Kitch (naïve optimism) + disillusionment/suffering beauty and love. You can’t have true beauty without suffering.
I know I use this Day 1,2,3 stuff a lot, sorry about that. I know sometimes I go from trying to explain things to others to trying to explain things to myself. Those are the terms I best understand. ;)
And lastly, here is a quote from the book I just read that I think fits the point of your essay perfectly:
"If you are able to take upon yourself the crime of the criminal who stands before you and whom you are judging in your heart, do so at once, and suffer for him yourself, and let him go without reproach. And even if the law sets you up as a judge, then, too, act in this spirit as far as you can, for he will go away and condemn himself more harshly than you would condemn him. And if, having received your kiss, he goes away unmoved and laughing at you, do not be tempted by that either: it means that his time has not yet come, but it will come in due course; and if it does not come, no matter: if not he, then another will know, and suffer, and judge, and accuse himself, and the truth will be made full. Believe it, believe it without doubt, for in this lies all hope and all the faith of the saints."
-The Elder Priest Zosima in Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky
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i'm sorry i didn't get around to reading this for the longest time! dearest phil, i am so proud of you, you finally did it! It was everything i'd hoped it would be and straigtened out many of the ideas i had about Revenge.
Kristen, as for your post, i don't agree with the part where you said that love even uses hatred and death and injustice to accomplish its goals. I don't think love has anything to do with that. it sounds like, " doing wrong to do right-the end justifies the means" thinking to me. God is perfect. God is Love. So if God can not be in the presence of any type of sin, it only makes sense that Love cannot as well. Just a thought.
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Oh definitely Sarah, that's not how I meant it to come off! Sorry! I mean that love is so strong, and so determined, that if bad things happen, it will try to do whatever it can to do its work. When hatred and pain are present, love presents itself even stronger, and tries to use the strength of the hatred against it, much like in the martial art Aikido.
And that's exactly what you'd be doing if you use this type of revenge that Phil talks about.
I hope that clarifies it. :)
I wrote so many versions of that response that I forget what I ended up including. ;)
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This was a good post Phil, thank you I've never really seen this reasoned view of why people should try to turn the other cheek. i have some qualms about the idea that life *should* be fair, but i agree that love is the way to go :)
I liked your perspective too kristen, and it did help :)
regards, moomoosnake
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WOW x 3!!! That was AMAZING! Phil, you masterfully explained the Christian faith. I love the part about "turning the other cheek." Some people view it as a weakness, but it takes an inner strength not to react as a mere human. Following Christ's example is not always easy.
Your interpretation of the song was really well done. It's cool how you dissected the lines of the song to reflect the 3 speakers. It makes more sense now (I was never good @ poetry in high school).
I could go on about the many things that struck me in this post. I think I'll read it a few more times to grasp the fullness of it.
Anyway, great job, Phil. This was WELL worth the wait.